Post by Madonna Post by Mike Tancsa Post by Madonna
If you manage to have a 100% secure route to statcan.ca they'll still get the info...
...since our government outsources private information to US firms.
(which of course are subject to the Patriot act and don't tell the Canadian
government when they've been looked at or copied.)
(Radio-Canada, en francais)
You are mischaracterizing the report you refer to. I translated it
roughly to "According to a document obtained by Radio-Canada, more
half of the agencies and ministries federal entrust to American
companies the management of personal Canadian information"
The rules that statscan uses are VERY, VERY strict and clearly laid
out and cannot be lumped into the privacy policies of other ministries
in general. Statscan is a non partisan organization and is world
respected for the quality and integrity of work they do. Have a look
at their privacy policies which are clearly laid out on their website
instead of making misleading claims about what they do.
"Yes, the American FBI could, under the infamous Patriot Act, access your census information.
It seems Census Canada, mired in the usually right-wing thought that anything done by Americans is better than that done
by Canadians, has contracted out the software and data processing to an American company -- a subsidiary of weapons
manufacturer Lockheed Martin. "
source: Williams Lake Tribune, May 11 2006
An op-ed in .... The Williams Lake Tribune ?? There is nothing in
there of substance, other than repeating some of the misinformation
From the stats can website (see below for info about countmeout.ca)
<----- quote ----->
By law, Statistics Canada must protect the confidentiality of the
information you provide on its surveys and censuses. All Statistics
Canada employees must take an oath of secrecy, and are subject to
fines and/or imprisonment should they reveal identifiable information
derived from the Census. Any possible breach of the confidentiality of
Census returns is an exceedingly serious matter which would be
investigated immediately and thoroughly and be subject to the full
force of the Statistics Act.
Contract staff are never in possession of confidential data. Contract
staff are only allowed escorted access to Statistics Canada's secure
facilities if they have been security cleared and sworn-in under the
Statistics Act. They are accompanied by a Statistics Canada employee
at all times during their visit to any secure facility. Contract
employees are not allowed to bring in or take out any electronic
device such as a laptop, CD-ROM, memory stick, etc.
Processing of census returns
The processing of individual census returns will be undertaken by
employees of Statistics Canada. NO private sector employees will be
involved in the processing of 2006 Census questionnaires or any other
<---- end quote ---->
Why on earth would the CIA go to all the trouble of devising a
fiendishly clever trojan horse system to be embedded in various form
reading hardware, that will somehow create a network connection out of
Stats Canada where none currently exists only to transmit information
on how many people live in your household and how old you are when it
would be FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR easier to just ask VISA or Mastercard or
American Express for this information and have WAY, WAY, WAY more info
than whats in the census form.
Instead, people want to sabotage the information that helps all sorts
of Canadian public and private organizations from school boards
projecting growth to businesses gaging demand that ultimately make
your life better and governments and corporations more efficient.
But even better, the website www.countmeout.ca which is trying to for
better or worse tie this to free trade and an abrogation of
sovereignty issues and says,
"So even if Statistics Canada could guarantee the privacy of personal
census data, we believe the fact that the census software and hardware
have been contracted out under NAFTA to a subsidiary of US weapons
manufacturer Lockheed Martin is in itself an affront to Canadians."
Yet, the irony is lost on them that they host their website in the
USA! Even better, it gets transit from AT&T! You know, the company
who was all too happy to hand over information in violation of US
privacy laws ?
shell1% host www.countmeout.ca
www.countmeout.ca is a nickname for countmeout.ca
countmeout.ca has address 220.127.116.11
countmeout.ca mail is handled (pri=10) by mail.countmeout.ca
shell1% whois -h whois.arin.net 18.104.22.168
AT&T WorldNet Services ATT (NET-12-0-0-0-1)
22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199
NETWORK INNOVATIONS NETWORK-23-179 (NET-12-129-179-0-1)
188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206
# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2006-05-15 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
Translating "www.countmeout.ca"...domain server (220.127.116.11) [OK]
Type escape sequence to abort.
Tracing the route to countmeout.ca (18.104.22.168)
1 white_dwarf.cbbtier3.att.net (22.214.171.124) [AS 7018] 0 msec 0 msec 0
2 ar13.s10-0-0.n54ny.ip.att.net (126.96.36.199) [AS 7018] 4 msec 0
msec 4 msec
3 tbr1-p011905.n54ny.ip.att.net (188.8.131.52) [AS 7018] [MPLS: Label
31252 Exp 0] 24 msec 24 msec 24 msec
4 tbr1-cl14.cgcil.ip.att.net (184.108.40.206) [AS 7018] [MPLS: Label
31104 Exp 0] 24 msec 24 msec 24 msec
5 ar3-a3120s4.cgcil.ip.att.net (220.127.116.11) [AS 7018] 20 msec 20
msec 24 msec
6 18.104.22.168 [AS 7018] 20 msec 24 msec 20 msec
7 ge0-0.aggr01.00e0.02e4.eqix.ord.serveraxis.net (22.214.171.124)
[AS 36252] 24 msec 200 msec 200 msec
8 countmeout.ca (126.96.36.199) [AS 36252] 204 msec 204 msec 200
Countmeout.ca is concerned that our public institutions are doing
business with evil US corporations, yet they choose to host their
protest website with one in and in the USA !?!?!
Mike Tancsa, Sentex communications http://www.sentex.net
Providing Internet Access since 1994